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Post by mod10c on Apr 13, 2014 8:00:41 GMT -6
thinking about changing brake pads this season on our victory from performance friction .81on all 4 corners to hawk black in the back and the .81's in the front for more rear braking, any thoughts or sugestions.
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Post by flipflopoo1oo on Apr 13, 2014 18:03:39 GMT -6
Cutting down the surface area per square inch and adding a cooling groove to our pads improved heat factors and breaking power on our left to right on the front when running a 4 wheel disc. A smaller master for the rear than front applies more force to the pistons but needs more travel unless line size can be changed to a smaller line with out heat factors of volume messing with your fluids! Less pad you would think would be less breaking but other factors enter in to the equation too! It can go either way depending on where it is now! Up grades are some times tricky at best on two wheels until proven! I hope some one has a proven answer for you! The smaller line allows for more travel away and better cooling of fluids in the lines in some cases! A coil close by on each side helps to keep fluids cooler too if over heating fluids!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2014 20:27:12 GMT -6
I run the Hawk Black in the back and like them. The .81 in the front will be fine. I take it one step further and run a crappy Auto zone bi metallic pad on the RF. I dont like running 3 wheel brakes, and this seems to be a good compromise for me. Or you can do what FlipFlop cut and pasted from some tech site, LOL.
Dave.
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Post by flipflopoo1oo on Apr 14, 2014 10:41:35 GMT -6
No cut and paste here, Doing these tricks for the last 35 years as one driver liked 4 wheel and the other didn't! Years of school and practical application of common sense! No hatchet needed! I am on your side! Winning! No competition except on the track and I don't drive! Our views may vary but it will keep others on there game! All cars and set-ups vary as does builder designs! No body wins the same way, at-least we never did as you can tell by my post! Glad to see a percentage rule being put into place! We use little braking as drivability lets us carry momentum with a high idle through the turn and dodge right or left without un hooking to protect the car for the last lap! We run three wheel most of the time as tight as we have to be at those speeds and still turn more left if needed! The infield is the only safe place to be if behind a wreck! Its more for safety than a crutch for us! We do have a valve for the other drivers! Some classes here only allow one master cylinder as in the early years with us and tricks became useful again! Home made traction control when stopping takes a more of balance of set-ups in breaking! A whole reversal of happenings to deal with to keep us hooked when standing on the brakes! It works both ways to keep all four hooked while turning ,stopping or getting off the corner straight!
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Post by mod10c on Apr 20, 2014 7:40:12 GMT -6
Thanks for the all the info I will give all of it thought. We have different master cylinder sizes for the clutch,rear and front brakes. I was looking for better braking without spending a ton of money or replumbing the car. Thanks again for your thoughts and info.
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Post by Krooser on Jun 7, 2014 16:28:30 GMT -6
My son's b-mod has Hawk Blacks on the left side and cheapo's on the right sideā¦ that's how the PO ran 'em.
Any comments?
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Post by flipflopoo1oo on Jun 8, 2014 19:35:53 GMT -6
It's always the variation that works in making the most of what you have! A little give or some more take! It was the trying to improve braking of both that got complicated for me as the more I tried to better both, the more even they became! The scale got closer at the top with the heat factors coming into play! I finally loosened the car a bit and told him not to use the brakes at all! Much faster than too tight and seemed to be smoother too with the lack of binding under braking and transitions of loads! A very loose car needs 4 even and if tight, only three if allowed! Some setups work great with only rear! Just watching I want all I can give them for safety sake! Being able to tap and turn does have its merits in the turns!
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