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Post by flipflopoo1oo on Nov 15, 2014 8:01:05 GMT -6
Gut --- Most of us have one! It has ranges of use before needs just as springs do! My belt that I wear daily has a number of well used holes! Let us just call them morning , noon, and night but don't forget about Sundays coil bind! If hiking cross country as transfer does, you may want to take more with you to have a longer range of travel! We all know that having too much of one thing isn't good after a while, this would be the spring that is too strong and with little travel is topped out and loosing pounds! A good healthy breakfast can last me all day! This would be my weaker lt. ft. preloaded! I might be ready to fight a bear by supper but still have energy to spare! Look at your chassis corners as meals! Which is break-fast, lunch, dinner and Sunday's dessert? Most people today have no set time to eat as work dictates but snacking is only a temporary fix in the preloads needed to get things done on the pounds side of traction! Having my left rear as the table set with a big spread, getting rear percent is no problem at all!-- Quit leaning forward,--- unless ready to transfer to the rear!!! Sounds strange but you just have to leave room for desert and another hole in your set-up! Most need one more on the right side to please me even after leaning left! Just think of your springs in terms of muscle to get the job done with out giving out during the stretch from moving too far! Preloads can give more range and limiting those can keep it on a steady diet of more pounds per square inch in traction by transfer to the reclined position! Some might understand food better than springs but you may see my point of trying to help by any means I can! I think I will have my coffee now! Will it be heavier held outwards or up to my lips! Just thinking about pounds and angles to get a job done as usual!
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Post by flipflopoo1oo on Nov 15, 2014 11:53:58 GMT -6
I never measured too many springs to get the load factors! I just went by the pounds on the scales and got on the side of the range desired! Shocks may give a better guess after a smooth lap or two! A good knee weight test may tell you how easy each corner will move if the bumpers allows such! A 2-4 inch rear drop with my 240 pounds added is a good indication of good transfer as long as it floats back up when I step off! The scales can offer more info if you go to the trouble of load shifting ft., rear and right side with the same factors in weight! This is only a test to see if response is prompted by the change! With or w/o driver gives a left side compliance of movable pounds if not upsetting the balance with over progressive bar angles! Its easy to loose traction with so many things helping to lift instead of the pull bar even having a levered job to do! Traction is sometimes about trying harder to lift than making it easier to do so and loosing your angles! Springs helping too much can also give way to their loss! Ever wonder why softer seems to help hook-- too much angle to match your correct springs to start with more times than not! Why can't they all just get along!!! They can as long as the front keeps them preloaded with the weight already in place!
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Post by flipflopoo1oo on Nov 16, 2014 2:34:57 GMT -6
Would you rather rely on the weight you just lifted with ease to hold your left rear down when out of travel or to ensure that harder to lift holds it down? I under stand that by getting under the load gives a better rear percentage but by changing the angle you have shifted it more forward trading some tit for tat! A slight counter balance was achieved but making it harder to transfer weight to the rear you have lost the key to letting torque move even more! Even the pounds of just hitting the spoiler at the rear of the car to add rear weight has been compromised to a more total restrictive down force! If you have so many horses as to pull both ft. wheels then would be the time to rethink their usage but not undermine the traction needed to be faster! You may be surprised at what traction you find by only trying to lift the ft. load instead of using short steering bars or angle to take the load off the pull bar to achieve more traction! Raising the lower pivot point instead and then trying to transfer by lifting even more leaves little chance of weight transfer to the rear! Have you ever scaled a car in set mode to see what pounds were gained where or considered the higher bar level you set for transfer to react to? A lower balance point of the lower bars with the front of the pull bar up high and father rear makes more sense to me to shift more weight to the rear by changing the load angle to be leaning back instead of more forward! It may not be the fact that the car weighs more towards in the middle but it surely will pivot easier from that point to transfer more easily! Try a little more practical application on your chassis' geometry to get more weight transferred! Then see what a little added left rear counter weight can do!!!
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Post by flipflopoo1oo on Nov 16, 2014 2:54:27 GMT -6
By lowering the pulling point at the differential to close the angle, you have added torque to the pull bar! Not wanting to loose said angles raise the ft. location and shorten the bar length to change the total pivot transfer range angle! Level the bar until the point of lifting! It may not be the fact that it needs to lift to add weight but it is the transfer points that puts it there! No movement need be there to loose said angles including the pinion but you may need more air in the rear tires to hold the added traction weight!!! Blueprint yours and mine and see the points of interest in where torque is applied where to the chassis balance! Indexing is everything in getting torque applied!
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Post by flipflopoo1oo on Nov 23, 2014 14:24:34 GMT -6
Can you apply more force to something if it moves or if it holds fast in place while the force is being applied? Transfer is some times about pivot point and not the lift to get under it more! If the roll pivot is at the left rear wheel, how hard is it to get transfer to the right rear! You have to realize that the cross switching gives instant transfer and with the weight of the lead is in the center of the pivot in both directions to help balance the off sets of loads! The ease of transfer from rear to front and left ft. to right rear is then increased to give amazing control of bite on the right side while holding the left steady under the center pivot point! If you ever grasp this course of action in moving pounds elsewhere but at the left rear you will see the winning advantage in drivability!
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Post by flipflopoo1oo on Nov 24, 2014 8:35:05 GMT -6
INSIGHT is like the beauty of a car being able to pass in the turn! Its not that hard once you incite the facts! Its like pie on Thanksgiving, it goes down easy once you get past the Turkey that is in the way! Drivability is a tune in its self! Its the next level to just getting around the turn pretty or being totally hooked up! So!--- (RILE IT UP HENERY), have that third piece of pie! Make the rest eat dirt!!! No need for contact if you can out (maneuver) them to win!
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Post by flipflopoo1oo on Dec 1, 2014 18:43:57 GMT -6
Just another angle in the mix--- If you now have set-up angles and swings mastered you can start on stroke verses bore with rod length and piston speed as dwell timing changes the needs of compression against the burn timing sequence in ratios of swing changing the leverage points and burn rates of different fuels! Don't let me get ahead of you-- said the piston to the burn! Keeping and mastering burn issues in timing with different designs of engines is directly related to load and choice of fuel! More compression starts the burn off hotter but burns slower (higher octane fuels) as not to get going or go out too soon in the stroke! Low compression engines with low octane that pops and burns faster can run out of burn stroke even faster! Timing each to the design of fuels is the key to getting a little more out of your build! You may get a better look if thought of as rocket fuel burning in stages of just the right burn to get the job done! It's like keeping traction as you pick up speed and adding horses all the time! There is the turn again as the piston comes to a stop and returns! You may see how delaying the exhaust valve opening could produce a longer burn stroke if the fuel burned more completely you may increase the burn stroke! By burning out a vacuum is created that helps to rebound the piston so to speak while increasing torque! Thus the need of duration increase of exhaust being more than the intake with this added help in producing vacuum! A quick study of all the valve timing diagrams may give some ideas on ways to change the geometry, lash, and cam degree to obtain what you cant go buy unless using a roller set-up! Hash it out and watch the horses grow as you set them free! Asymmetrical cams gives some insight on this process but leaves little room for redesigning if needed! A good general understanding can open up ranges in burn timing in stroke verses bore, burn verses piston speeds and fuels verses compression! A host of fuels out there to make it happen the way you want it to!
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Post by flipflopoo1oo on Dec 2, 2014 19:50:56 GMT -6
Would you be happier if pull bar angle increased during roll to have more traction or loose it by lifting the chassis! Thus the use of fifth arms to minimize the loss but hey let's put a spring on it and let it move if it wans too! So many good ideas have fallen prey to the cushion effect trying hard to avoid torque at the wheels to keep traction! Too many horses never slowed me down unless pulling both ft. wheels and then a little taller gear took care of two problems as it held the peak range better and picked up speed faster! I have heard so many claims about spinning faster or having to ease into the throttle with higher gears that I wonder where they put all those horses to good use! Only on a good tacky track on some of the tracks and in some of the heats! I have seen some tracks that switched in three laps to ice! Are you then on your driving skills in making traction? Do you ever leave the mud on the rear of the chassis for traction? What if it dries and falls off? Do you have 40 lbs. to play with in the main once you remove all the mud? I would never give up horses, traction, drivability or the 150 lbs. of lead that makes winning possible to a driver being able to soft touch on any track with cars pulling away! Its a bit easier to mash harder and apply more torque to make it hook harder than to expect cushion to save the day once up on the bars and locked! Give me a solid pull bar and the whole chassis as the cushion to move very little and transfer a lot once the balance is tipped in tractions favor!
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Post by flipflopoo1oo on Jan 2, 2015 12:02:15 GMT -6
We have all seen chassis work well with lots of different spring and shock combos with various weight distributions! We have also seen the same combos be tried and fell for some one reason that was missed or even driver habits or poor timing on their part! Letting the track dictate roll and steer by speed in a set up can be easier than finding the perfect driver but giving him control of the car and not the track as it changes makes more sense to me! The car has to have ranges of track control and the driver should be able to adjust that with the steering wheel! Control by throttle use and timing it correctly will always be a factor but should not control factors all ready coved in traction or a smooth entry, middle, and exit by transfer of pounds by the steering, nose or roll factors! Giving the driver total control can not be done by the massive movement of the left rear variations, however I have seen some make laps with no need of ft. steer it seems! Going a bit faster does require a bit more control for safety sake! Being able to recover when sideways right or left means a lot, not many have this option in set-ups! The use of extreme caster can throw things your way if loose or tight, rolled or not with the bar angles and drive thrust factors matching out pounds per rear wheels in traction! 4 wheel steer and two wheel traction is a wonder if left drive is all you have now with the front only following what the rear mandates!
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Post by flipflopoo1oo on Jan 2, 2015 20:14:21 GMT -6
Air pressure is just an extension of your spring with a few extra factors thrown in but a change there can do more than you think! The extra give can move the whole weight of the car to the right but if it gives more it flexes more and heats the tire! It changes more things to variables in its reactions and some may not be to an advantage if not considered first! It is hard enough to get good transfer only to be absorbed by the tire giving but some in the other direction can help hold on to what you have achieved! Most all need different pounds to fit their set-up, off-sets, and poundage per chassis, once there it is hard to not find a poundage to depend on! I am the same way with the rest of my settings! This spring here and that shock there from the get-go as to the service it provides in getting the job done correctly! This off-set and that number of pounds of weight on that wheel! This amount of movement with that preload with direction of movement considered! This bar angle to level out traction with that other one when rolled to give controlled drive by angle and pounds applied! A dominate left rear poundage can be fine if the right bar angle is greater to equalize traction in poundage! Many may not see this advantage in a set-up choice but its like air pressure to me as being correct to fit the needs of faster, smoother, more manageable and consistant!
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Post by flipflopoo1oo on Jan 4, 2015 4:54:53 GMT -6
I have went from 80 pounds of left rear with a 150 driver's weight to 40 pounds of right rear with a 285 driver! These readings were with out driver but a must as was the stronger spring change on the left rear to get it there! The cross had to be lightened a bit but the ride heights finally came around and it was as smooth and fast as before! It still amazes me how large the range of in the house can be with all preloads corrected! On a scale of movement by direction from 0-10 the left rear is my least moved! A broad range either way with a 5 or mid setting of its minor movement range! The right rear is more like a 3-7 with cushion on both ends! The left ft. is very preloaded and has a wide expansion from 2-10 before clearing the ground, which it never does! The right front has the most travel of about 3-3.5 and needs the full range of travel! Starting with little preload and a ballast on the left rear to counter the cross load shift to the front when nosing, it still has a lot of controlled smooth movement! It moves from a 9 down to a 1 in its 2 inch of spring travel before coil bind! These settings are why choosing the correct springs by car weight, corner, and location in preloads to get said ranges of travel and direction gives a very flexible chassis that still has room to cover the track to track and corner to corner! Having all corners holding preloads offers traction, side bite, instant steer, and a smooth ride with it being held well balanced and able to be changed or tipped easily by the extreme caster for even more range added in either direction if needed in any situation from being hit from behind or just dodging a wreck! The anytime 4 wheel steer factor amazes all as the car is very versatile in its responses of handling! Have you considered the preloads in your springs by direction of movement needs and what it can do for some set-ups if weighted properly?
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Post by flipflopoo1oo on Jan 12, 2015 8:50:31 GMT -6
One basic improvement changes so many settings in the right direction and yet holes the one most sought after in most set-ups! While improvements can be made at any given point, not loosing sight of the good already achieved is up to transfer by load shift and not mandated by more movement at times! When, where, and how much movement and pound change you get can be controlled by the opposite side or corner of the chassis by static weight, spring poundage or preloads settings that sets amounts of travel until transfer is over ruled and limits exceed only to move elsewhere! Follow your pounds of transfer from wheel to wheel and corner to corner to see the key to understanding your set-up's transfer and traction problems better! Start at your lifting the throttle point and use numbers and alphabet to map and gauge the splitting of gain or loss in pounds as they transfer around over the chassis! Just a estimated guess will show the lack or need to improve transfer at most vital points! How do you know what you need to have where is always the quest but this breakdown will help to see where you are now and where and how to go from there in making any changes as they effect your numbers! A third set may be of use in finding the correct shocks if you run threw with out them first! I don't advise deducing all three at the same time as is because each will effect the other as you see them! You should have maybe five sets before you finish and then you can see common and uncommon ground if changing to graft models with color! It would be nice to have a smarter person than I to devise a program to feed this info into! A real school project at best but don't let the scale of 1-5 or 1-10 change the size of your piece of pie or cake or the amount of ice cream or coffee or milk it takes to get it down whether in a bowl, plate or saucer, glass or mug! We make these kind od decisions and assumptions daily with or with out our wives watching! GIVE IT A GO and see what you think as to improvements!!!
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Post by flipflopoo1oo on Jul 6, 2015 18:04:10 GMT -6
If needing more babble to get ahead on the track you might try reading more of the above post of when I had a bit more time-- A SAGA IN IT'S SELF!!! Be sure to ask if needing any help understanding any part of any post as I am quite willing to help anyone!!!
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Post by flipflopoo1oo on Sept 9, 2015 5:50:48 GMT -6
A lot can be said about raising the lower bars in helping this or that! I prefer lower settings as to the pivot point of transfer in the pull bar having a greater ease in transfer to achieve traction! If set up is correct in pounds of transfer not much steer is needed with the right drive making it turn left with ease! Most only think of traction in pounds of left rear being more! I never do but yes it should be to start with to lessen to the right as to the ballance of traction when rolled while in the corner! The twist in the track getting off mandates the tranfer back to hold said ballance! I use the right bars higher to push the load back over to the left on exit! This too stops the steer factors to exit low without the left push making it a follow the leader race! Having drivability and traction of a constant by design is key to passing at anythime or place there is room on the track! Thus the snake effect in traffic, in the turn, or just any line you please to take! Being able to turn left and hold the line chosen while dead on the throttle is a awsome sight to behold! The option to weave without loss of control or traction is in the preload settings of pounds along with the frame twist against said springs to maintain the range by the drivers steering wheel by use of the extreme caster in use! On the scales with front steer from side to side, a pound change of a neg. 40-80 pounds to a positive of as much as 126+ pounds of transfer when sitting still leaves a extreme change once rolled and preloads are greater on the right side! Maintaining left rear and drive angles to have said control shows little movement of the the car but more the tires move to fit the track while the frame stays stable and looking so smooth as to a non moving set-up! The POUNDS moves but the driver and frame twist is under full control of the track and driver! QUESTIONS ANYONE???
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